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26.06.11 12:21
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15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100Tripoli Bericht

Published on 24 Jun 2011
          Tripoli opposition waits for its moment  

Muammar Gaddafi’s fearsome security apparatus appears to  be weakening in Tripoli, but it is still too powerful to risk an  uprising – that is the view of Libyans who say they are part of a  burgeoning underground opposition network in the capital.

The handful of activists, who spoke to Reuters journalists on  condition that neither their identities nor the location of the meeting  be revealed, said Gaddafi was keeping control of the city through  informants, mass arrests and killings.

“No single event will bring down the regime here in Tripoli,” said one activist who goes by the name of Niz.

“And it will take time,” he added, saying more NATO bombing, a push  by Libyan revolutionaries outside the city and better coordination of  the opposition inside the capital would probably be needed.

Yet Niz and others also spoke of a system of repression that was  showing signs of strain, with a shortage of places to hold detainees,  interrogators who do not know what questions to ask and people arrested  and then released apparently at random.

That Reuters foreign journalists staying at a tightly monitored hotel  were able to slip away from Gaddafi’s government minders to meet people  who said they represented active opposition cells was itself a sign of  disarray in the decades-old security system – a disarray NATO is  counting to bring Gaddafi down eventually.

Four activists from two different opposition movements – groups which  have maintained contact with foreign media for the past few months –  gave an account of what they thought it would take for Gaddafi’s grip on  his Tripoli stronghold to be broken.

It was an assessment that will be sobering for those in Western  capitals, and in the Libyan cities of Benghazi and Misrata, held by the  revolutionaries, who have been hoping for a swift end to the four-month  old conflict.

An uprising in Tripoli is seen by some NATO member states as the best  bet for toppling the Libyan dictator after months of coalition air  strikes, and attacks by revolutionary forces outside the capital have  yet to produce a decisive outcome.

“The rebels don’t really have a chance of breaking out from the east,  making their way to Tripoli,” said Shashank Joshi of the Royal United  Services Institute in London. “It will rely on some sort of urban  uprising within the city itself.”

Niz said outsiders, and the eastern revolutionaries, should be patient if they were were waiting for Tripolitanians to rise up:

“Four months is a long time for those being shelled,” he said of  those under siege in Misrata and elsewhere. “It’s a long time for those  being raped or tortured,” he added.

“But, objectively, it’s not a long time when you consider the regime has been in power for 42 years.”

 

Varied Groups

Niz has been in regular contact with foreign media, speaking for what  he calls the Free Generation Movement – predominantly secular, young  and liberal in outlook, inspired by the uprisings that overthrew  autocrats in neighbouring Tunisia and Egypt.

Quite how many people Niz speaks for is unclear. It may be as few as a  dozen people in regular contact with each other in a city deprived of  most modern communications beyond basic phone services. But each such  group appears to have contacts with many others, suggesting loose,  cellular pattern of opposition action.

Those activists Reuters met said an uprising in the capital would  require further weakening of Gaddafi’s rule by the NATO bombing  campaign, significant progress toward the capital by revolutionary  forces – and a stronger opposition network within the city.

Building up that network has been made vastly more difficult by the  Gaddafi government’s decision to shut down Internet and mobile phone  text messages. That has deprived Gaddafi’s opponents of access to tools  that played a big role in Egypt and Tunisia.

“We’re having to do things the old-fashioned way,” said one of the activists, who used the name Fatima. “That takes time.”

Her group, going by the name of the February 17 Young Women’s  Coalition of Tripoli – a reference to the date of the first big street  protests – also appears tiny, but also  representative of widespread  anti-Gaddafi sentiment.

Many dozens of people in Tripoli who have spoken to Reuters  discreetly in the past four months echo such views, especially their  ultimate goal of ending Gaddafi’s 42-year rule.

As a group, the activists Reuters met at a secret location in the  city were all well educated. All four had university degrees and spoke  English. Ranging in age from their 20s to middle-age, the women wore  Islamic headscarves, the men casual Western-style dress of jeans and  T-shirts.

 

Mass Arrests

Gaddafi’s opponents in Tripoli live in fear of arrest. Setting up a  meeting between them and Reuters reporters involved elaborate  preliminary arrangements by the activists to make sure Gaddafi’s  intelligence services did not find out about it.

At the meeting, the youngsters who presented themselves as active in  an underground opposition network described heavy security across the  city, especially at night with numerous checkpoints that shift locations  from day to day.

People can be held for anything from hours to days, or even weeks;  some have been killed, the activists said. “There are mass arrests every  day. There are killings every day,” said Niz.

They said some people appeared to have been arrested solely on the  grounds of being originally from towns held by revolutionaries, such as  Misrata or Zlitan. At other times, arrests seemed to be based on  people’s family names. In Libya, these often carry clues about local  origins or tribal connections.

Often though, the detentions seem to be pretty much random. “There  are no rules,” said an activist from the women’s coalition who used the  name Amal. “Just what they decide.”

Many accounts cannot be independently verified as the Gaddafi  government keeps the small international media corps largely confined to  a hotel and rarely lets reporters out without an official escort .  Groups like Human Rights Watch have reported accounts of mass arrests  and torture of dissidents in Tripoli.

 

Lawless City

Though still powerful, the security apparatus is showing signs of  strain, the activists said. Levels of crime seem to have risen on the  streets of Tripoli, especially at night, apparently since security men  are so focused on preserving Gaddafi’s rule they have limited capacity  for routine policing.

Civilian loyalists of Gaddafi have been armed by his government and  sent out to help in the crackdown on dissent are themselves robbing  residents, one of the activists alleged.

“The volunteers took the guns not because they believe in Gaddafi but  because they wanted the power,” Amal said. “They have taken their  chance to make as much money as possible.

“And they are enjoying their power.”

Everything from minor infractions such as running a red light or  talking on a mobile phone while driving – officially subject to a  500-dinar ($400) fine – to public drunkenness in a country where alcohol  is banned, is now possible without real fear of falling foul of the  police, the activists said.

“It’s jungle law out there,” said Niz. “There is no law now. There is just the protection of the regime.”

The activists said Gaddafi’s security services appeared to have  become fragmented, to have lost numbers to defections and some  interrogation facilities to the NATO bombing campaign.

“Some people are sent to interrogators who have no idea what to ask them,” said Salim, a Free Generation Movement activist.

written by Mussab Al-Khairalla and Nick Carey, Reuters

   

 

Short URL: http://english.libya.tv/?p=5611

 

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26.06.11 12:29

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100Löschung


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26.06.11 12:31

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100aber was echt lustig ist das er echt glaubt

G. kann sich halten... lol wie naiv, unwissenend oder  dumm kann man sein?
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26.06.11 12:46

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100wie die Freiheitskämpfer zu waffen kommen

6:00am: Since the Libyan uprising began in February, revolutionary forces have been in desperate need of weapons. An international arms embargo bans imports into the country. But gun runners are finding ways to get supplies to the front line.

Al Jazeera?s Sue Turton reports from Misrata on how the rebels are getting around the ban.

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26.06.11 12:48

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100aktuelle Kampfschauplätze (unconfirmed)

  libyanproud   libyanandproud        
         
 
 
   
   
1 hour ago    
 
 
 
  LibyaFTW   Fares        
                             by libyans_revolt
 
 
   
   

 

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26.06.11 13:00

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100armer G.

zu wissen jederzeit von der Nato getötet werden zu können ist schon hart....

Hoffentlich dauerts noch ein bißchen, der soll richtig leiden. Am besten wäre natürlich er würde noch seine scheiß Söhne hängen sehen, bevor er drauf geht!
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26.06.11 13:16

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100haha jetzt wirds aber ganz verweifelt

lol lange kanns nicht mehr dauern....


Breaking : Libyan State TV just issued orders to suicide squads to attack ! Thank You #nilesat ! #Feb17 #Libya
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26.06.11 13:25
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15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100happy das mit den rauschmiss war echt ne gute idee

so kann man glaub ich Kiiwwii  rasend machen...:-)

PS: die charme offensive von gestern ist vorbei. jetzt gibts wieder den alten
sehr aggresiven paten...:-)
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26.06.11 13:27

95441 Postings, 8711 Tage Happy EndWohl wahr *g*

26.06.11 13:30

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100sorry mein motto ist halt

du willst Krieg du bekommst den totalen krieg... :-)
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26.06.11 13:34

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100immerhin hat er mir den krieg erklärt

wie immer reagiere ich nur...:-)
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26.06.11 13:49

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100oh ein highylight hätte ich fast vergessen

Es gibt unheimlich schöne Gegenden in Libyien. Wenn da alles vorbei will ich mir das unbedingt mal anschauen.
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26.06.11 14:12

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100breaking

Guma El-Gamaty
@Guma_el_gamaty Guma El-Gamaty
Libya Breaking news Western mountain FF advanced this morning on Bir Alghanam area only 30 km south of Zawiya and G forces retreating fast
3 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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26.06.11 14:28
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15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100Ägypten erfindet sich neu

Nach der Revolution: Ägypten erfindet sich neu - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten - Politik
In Ägypten formiert sich ein neuer Staat. Nach der Revolution streben zahlreiche Parteien an die Macht, liberale wie religiös geprägte. Auch die ganz Frommen kämpfen um ihre Zukunft in der jungen Demokratie - dabei sind ihnen viele Mittel recht.
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26.06.11 15:13

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100wow es geht vorran (unbestätigt)

das rattengift scheint langsam zu wirken...

#Misrata : Misratta have managed to kill and capture the 1000 Man Strong Mhimed Mgaryif brigade that tried attacking misratta. #Feb17 #Libya
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26.06.11 18:34

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate10090 km nur noch bis Tripoli

Associated Press

TRIPOLI, Libya?Rebels in Libya's western mountains said they had advanced and are battling Moammar Gadhafi's forces in a town located around 50 miles, or 80 kilometers, south of the capital.

Gomaa Ibrahim, a rebel military spokesman in the Nafusa mountains, said opposition fighters and government troops have been fighting since early Sunday on the outskirts of the town of Bair al-Ghanam.

Guma el-Gamaty, a spokesman of the rebels' National Transitional council, said Bair al-Ghanam is significant because it is only 19 miles south of the city of Zawiya, a key western gateway to Tripoli.

Opposition fighters seized control of Zawiya in March, before government troops crushed rebel forces there to retake the city.

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26.06.11 18:36

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100ui heut gehts voran

BREAKING: Wirshivana a city 30km from #Tripoli r now fighting alongside the western mountains after they liberated the city of Wirshivana
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26.06.11 21:23

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100was ist denn heute los?

als würden alle dämme brechen... Vielleicht gehts ja doch viel schneller....


libyans_revolt omar
BREAKING: #Marada area ( 120km south of #Brega) is Liberated and under Freedom fighters control. #Libya #Feb17

libyans_revolt omar
#Ajdabyia Report: #NATO choppers and ships Bombing #Gaddafi forces in #Brega. Reports of a very heavy bombing. #Libya #FreeLibya

ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
#Nafusa 06/26/11: FFs advanced towards Bir Al-Ghanam. ongoing fierce fighting-death of 1 FF from #Zintan 3 injured from #Yefren & #Zintan

ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
#Nafusa 06/26/11: G forces suffer many injuries in fighting w/FFs @ Bir Al-Ghanam. FFs expect to join forces w/FFs from #Warshfaana #libya

AP: Two Libyan ministers crossed into #Tunisia to join foreign minister reportedly seeking a solution to #Libyan crisis http://aje.me/mzmC4r

ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
#Nafsusa 06/26/11: G forces are in retreat in fierce fighting w/FFs in #Bir #Al #Ghanam. FFs include some from #AlZawiya & #Surman
14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

AlArabiya_Eng Al Arabiya English
Qaddafi agrees to stay out of Libya talks, renews (again) election proposal goo.gl/QuaMH
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26.06.11 22:15

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100gott wie verzweifelt muss dieser wahnsinnige sein

jetzt werden schon frauen im Krieg verheitzt...
Lang kanns nicht mehr dauern.  
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26.06.11 22:24

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100endlich mal wieder ein frontbericht aus Brega

BBC News - Libya: On Brega's front line
The BBC's Bridget Kendall reports on rebel fighters waiting near Brega to be despatched into battle.

interessant ist der letzte satz. Frei wiedergegeben.... "es ist wie die letzten Tage unter hitler...."
Tick Tack die Zeit läuft ab! :-)  Hoffentlich ist danach ist der Jemen und Syrien dran.(ohne Nato)
In Algerien müsste sich auch noch was tun. Die haben bis zu letzt G. unterstützt....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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26.06.11 22:29
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33960 Postings, 6034 Tage McMurphy*ganzfestdiedaumendrück*

Du schaffst es bis Tripoli
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26.06.11 22:34
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15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100stimmt am liebsten würde ich mitmarschieren :-)

Land und Leute haben mich in den letzten 3-4 Monaten echt beeindruckt!
Vor diesen Menschen habe ich tiefsten Respekt. Wenn man all die toten in
den unzähligen videos und Bildern sieht, kann man nicht eiskalt bleiben!

Hab mir fest forgenommen, in Zukunft dort mal Urlaub zu machen....
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26.06.11 22:36

33960 Postings, 6034 Tage McMurphyIch mach ja Urlaub im Südtirol

Soll ich...

;-)))
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26.06.11 22:37
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29411 Postings, 6467 Tage 14051948KibbuzimVerlauf dich nicht nach Kärnten..

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26.06.11 22:38

15130 Postings, 8449 Tage Pate100solange ich mich nicht nach israel verlaufe

ist alles ok....:-)
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