Irish Life&Per. Unentdeckter Vervielfacher?

@mikro
Wenn es so weiter geht dann sehen wir 1,50 ? schon am Freitag. Die 3? könnte ich mir sogar schon bis Ende des Jahres vorstellen, wobei dass ist wohl zu optimistisch.

Glück dass mir diese Firma wieder Donnerstag Abend in den Sinn gekommen ist, genau zum richtigen Zeitpunkt. :)  

Jetzt wirds etwas schwieriger...sollten wir diese Woche die 1.20 knacken, dann ist der Weg bis auf 2 Euro frei.  Momentan 1,07 Euro...  

Zufälle gibts. Ich habs nur einmal kurz gesehn, dass Du und neureich über den wert diskutiert hattet. War eigentlich an einem Einstieg bei  Bank of Ireland interessiert und wollte den Tiefpunkt finden. Dann kamen Eure Postings und ich hatte beherzt zugegriffen....
Erst muss die 1,20 überwunden werden, jedoch nicht intraday, sondern auch zu Handelsschluss. Dann gehts wie gesagt schnell auf bis zu 2 Euro...warum nicht ;-)
Wo man an der LSE nur hinschaut...fast ausschliesslich Automatic Trades....
Ups, jetzt gehts gerade runter...1,04.

Hier kannst Du kostenfrei Realtime-Kurse sehen (anmeldung erforderlich, aber simpel)
http://www.shareprice.co.uk/IPM/IRISH-LIFE-PERMANENT-GRP-HDGS-PLC  

Bist Du eigentlich aus der Branche? (Wegen Deiner guten Recherchen).
Gestern hatte ich keinen Mut, heute nochmal nachgelegt zu 1,07.  

wurde wohl nach crocys Vorlage ein Thread eröffnet.
Fein. Snake3000 scheint gut informiert zu sein...  

Nee überhaupt nicht. Vielleicht ist das auch der Grund wieso ich eingestiegen bin. Die Leute vom Fach haben wahrscheinlich die ganzen möglichen eintretbaren Risiken im Blick und steigen dann aufgrund zu riskant nicht ein.
Ich habe mir einfach gedacht, die einzigste irische Bank die unbeschadet durch die Krise gekommen ist kann nicht verstaatlicht werden. Ein bißchen den Geschäftsbericht und Präsentationen anzuschauen ist dann ja auch nicht so schwer.  

sein, welche das benötigte Kapital aus eigenen Kräften aufbringen können. Das würde nochmals ein Kursturbo bedeuten.. (schaut mal unter Finanznachrichten.de).

Bin am Freitag bei Bank of Ireland eingestiegen und heute -trotz +20% Plus- bei Irish Life!  

Dann wünsche ich dir ganz viel Erfolg ;-)))
Sehe ich auch so...IPM kann auf eigenen Beinen stehen und muss zukünftige Erholungsphasen nicht teilen. Das wird sich dann schnell auf den Kurs ausüben.
An der LSE fast ausschliesslich ATs. Man könnte den Eindruck gewinne, dass nur ganz wenige Privatinvestoren hier mitmischen...
SK in London genau 1 Euro.  

No Risk, no fun  Momentan macht es richtig Spaß hier. Mein Einstieg war wohl richtig. Wünsche allen Investierten viel Glück und Moneten  

 

...wenn uns die "Big Players" zwischendurch immer mal wieder "abschütteln" möchten!
:-)  

...momentan +6%.
Sieht fast so aus, als wolle man sich auf den nächsten Run vorbereiten.
Na dann, ;-)  

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/...ears-subside-2442934.html

IL&P soars as state ownership fears subside

By Laura Noonan

Wednesday December 01 2010

THE market value of Irish Life & Permanent has almost doubled in the last three days as the spectre of state ownership faded from investors' sights.

The massive gains make IL&P the Irish stock market's best performer since the bank bailout was announced on Sunday night, though Bank of Ireland is also up 19pc for the week.

As the only institution with no state support, IL&P's share price was hit particularly hard last week amid rumours the bank bailout would involve state cash for all institutions.

The bancassurer was expected to need about ?600m of extra funds, which would have led to massive dilution of shareholders since the company's market capitalisation was just ?317m going into last week.

Further bad news was heaped on when the four-year plan detailed sweeping changes to pension tax relief which could hurt IL&P's mainstay life insurance business.

The market responded to the twin threats with a heavy sell-off of IL&P shares, driving the group's share price down to 51.4c on Friday night and bringing its market cap down to just ?142m.

Capital

That trend was reversed this week after a Sunday night announcement that IL&P will actually just need ?98m in additional capital, a sum that the group believes it can raise itself.

"This is clearly a successful outcome for the group," NCB analyst Ciaran Callaghan wrote in a note to clients on Monday, as IL&P's shares soared.

The company's stock ended Monday up almost 60pc and gained another 22pc yesterday, leaving its share price at ?1.

Market sources point out that while anyone who bought into IL&P earlier in the week is enjoying massive returns, most investors are still nursing losses.

Even after the stellar two-day run, IL&P's share price is still below the ?1.15 it traded at as recently as November 19, and well below its ?1.50 level on November 1.

"The jury remains out as to IL&P's future," analysts at RBS said in a note to clients. "We believe investors will require more details about the substantial downsizing and restructuring of the Irish banking system before there is comfort."

- Laura Noonan

Irish Independent  

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/...lds-vultures-2448779.html
vom 05.12.2010
Auszüge aus dem Bericht mit Meinungen von Experten:

"We're the new Sweden" -- Simon Maughan, MF Global

"One would think Bank of Ireland would continue to be a market leader and return to a freeflow, with around 25 to 30 per cent market share. AIB would still be number two, with about 10 to 15 per cent market share. As AIB's existing management are resisting selling and reducing, the Government will have to intervene."
und
"Colossal job losses in banking sector" -- Larry Broderick, IBOA

"The new capital ratio requirements means 70-80 per cent of Bank of Ireland will likely end up owned by the State, and AIB will automatically have to be nationalised," says Broderick. "Anglo and Nationwide will go."
"Meanwhile there are rumours that AIB will be sold," he says. "The capital ratio requirement means Irish Life & Permanent won't be in a position to acquire EBS, so the State will have to have some equity in it.

"Cardinal (the firm backed by Wilbur Ross that is bidding for EBS against IL&P) will have a clear run to buy EBS, but will they want it if they have to put money into it?" he asks.

"Irish Nationwide, IL&P's banking business and EBS will likely merge. The expectation is that colossal job losses will follow," he says of the banking shrink-down.

Mal sehen, wie das mit der Übernahme von EBS wird.  

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201012061529324506X  

IrishLife&Permanent ist die einzige Irische Bank, die nicht verstaatlicht, bzw. teilw. verstaatlicht wird.
Wenn Irland ihre Probleme in ca. 3 Jahren einigermaßen in den Griff bekommt und die Kunden der Versicherungssparte ihre Beiträge weiterzahlen, sehe ich hier durchaus Chancen für Kurse um 5-10 Euro. 2015 evtl. von 15-20 Euro.
Die Company ist meiner Meinung nach eine sehr interessante Mittel- bis Langfristanlage.  

:-)...leider machen hier nicht viele mit.
Sieht so aus, als wenn wir heute tatsächlich weit oberhalb von 1,20 schliessen.
Dann kommt als nächstes 1,50 - 2 Euro.  

aber leider wie gestern, in der früh kräftig nach oben und danach wieder ein bißchen schwächeln.
Die 1,5 ? wird sicher noch dieses Jahr kommen, die 3 ? dann wahrscheinlich Anfang bis Mitte nächsten Jahres.
Ich glaube die Aktie wird eine Goldgrube :), gut dass ich letzten Freitag noch ein paar für 1 ? nachgekauft habe.  

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/...fs-to-bbb-outlook-negative-004.htm

10.12.2010 15:21  
Fitch Downgrades Irish Life Assurance plc's IFS to 'BBB+'; Outlook Negative
Fitch Ratings has downgraded Irish Life Assurance plc's (Irish Life) Insurer Financial Strength (IFS) rating to 'BBB+' from 'A-' and Long-term Issuer Default Rating (IDR) to 'BBB' from 'BBB+'. The Outlooks are Negative. Irish Life's subordinated debt was also downgraded to 'BB+' from 'BBB-'.

Irish Life is the main insurance subsidiary of Irish Life&Permanent Plc (ILP). ILP's Individual rating was today downgraded to 'D/E' from 'D' and its Support Rating affirmed at '2'. The Irish sovereign's rating was yesterday downgraded to 'BBB+'/Stable from 'A+'/Negative (see separate comments published at www.fitchratings.com).

The downgrade of Irish Life's ratings and Negative Outlook reflect the deterioration in the macro-economic environment in Ireland. The impact of the Irish government's austerity package, high unemployment and reduced consumer confidence could trigger higher policyholder lapse rates and lower sales volumes, threatening Irish Life's profitability. The company is also exposed to increased investment risk as it has shareholder exposure to Irish sovereign debt and other Irish investments.

The downgrade also reflects the capital which Irish Life will provide to ILP through a EUR100m securitisation, which will reduce Irish Life's financial flexibility and future profits.

Despite the downgrade, Irish Life's ratings continue to reflect the positive rating factors of its strong standalone capitalisation (regulatory solvency ratio of 178% at end- Q310), comparatively low-risk business and strong market position. The business returned to profit in 2009 on an Irish GAAP basis with a result of EUR4m. A significant reduction in the cost base has also been made. However, Fitch expects profit margins and earnings to remain under pressure for a number of years.

Irish Life's rating could be further downgraded if the Irish macro-economic situation deteriorates further or has a greater-than-expected impact on persistency or new business, or if the company does not remain profitable.

Additional information is available at www.fitchratings.com.

Applicable criteria, "Insurance Rating Methodology", dated 16 August 2010, "Life Insurance Rating Methodology", dated 24 March 2010, and "Fitch's Approach to Rating Insurance Groups", dated 24 March, 2010, are available at
www.fitchratings.com.

Applicable Criteria and Related Research:
Insurance Rating Methodology
http://www.fitchratings.com/creditdesk/reports/...e.cfm?rpt_id=547766
Life Insurance Rating Methodology
http://www.fitchratings.com/creditdesk/reports/...e.cfm?rpt_id=506285
Non-Life Insurance Rating Methodology
http://www.fitchratings.com/creditdesk/reports/...e.cfm?rpt_id=506369
Fitch's Approach to Rating Insurance Groups
http://www.fitchratings.com/creditdesk/reports/...e.cfm?rpt_id=506368

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super eröffnung heute .... dann aber nur knapp im plus geschlossen
wie gehts weiter hier ... was meint ihr?  

Ich habe mich mal ein bißchen mit Charttechnik versucht.  Also die nächste Hürde wäre demnach  Ende dieser Woche bzw. Anfang nächster Woche das Durchbrechen des Abwärtstrends von August zwischen 1,43 und 1,46 ?. Wir diese überwunden wäre das Ziel für Ende des Jahres 1,60 ? bis 1,90 ?.  

www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/analyst

  ..unter 1 Euro? 

 

RNS) 2010-12-09 16:23
IL&P Group Holdings - Holding(s) in Company  
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RNS Number : 6968X
Irish Life & Permanent Grp HldgsPLC
09 December 2010

von der Website: http://www.shareprice.co.uk/IPM/IRISH-LIFE-PERMANENT-GRP-HDGS-PLC, dort news - 16:23 09/12/2010:

5,03% Anteil

Standard Form TR-1
Voting rights attached to shares- Article 12(1) of directive 2004/109/EC
Financial instruments - Article 11(3) of the Commission Directive 2007/14/EC

1.         Identity of the issuer or the underlying issuer of existing shares to which voting rights are attached

           Irish Life & Permanent Group Holdings plc.

2.         Reason for the notification (please tick the appropriate box or boxes):

[x]     an acquisition or disposal of voting rights

[ ]      an acquisition or disposal of financial instruments which may result in the acquisition of shares already issued to which voting rights are attached

[ ]      an event changing the breakdown of voting rights

[ ]    Other

3.         Full name of person(s) subject to the notification obligation:

           Credit Suisse Group AG

4.         Full name of shareholder(s) (if different from 3.)

           Credit Suisse Securities (Europe) Ltd

           Credit Suisse International

           Credit Suisse AG

           Credit Suisse Private Banking

           Credit Suisse Asset Management LLC

5.         Date of the transaction and date on which the threshold is crossed or reached:

           01/12/2010

6.         Date on which issuer notified;

           08/12/2010

7.         Threshold(s) that is/are crossed or reached

           5%

8.         Notified details: